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Thanks so ...Hello dandellion, and Earth, and Troy,<br /><br />Thanks so very much for keeping on trying with this silly blog posting system. As you see I have gone through the so-called Spam Filter and there you all were. So now you're back, and I assure you I hate it like anything to post to a site and then lose what I've worked so hard to say. I appreciate your points, all of them, and I think you are right that I need to investigate the site further. I am a writer, and my major concern was Writer's Island (as I recall it was called)and the usurping (as I saw it) of all the power of copyright, such as it is. I will research more carefully when I have time, I promise. And when I do, I'll address all your comments in a proper post.<br /><br />Thank you so much for caring.<br /><br />WelwynWelwyn-on-bookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00045795235815992667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-47453013997293346722010-09-05T12:49:34.415-04:002010-09-05T12:49:34.415-04:00I think you might have misjudged this world. I can...I think you might have misjudged this world. I cant blame you for your perceptions based on looking at the site only. Think of this world as "the people's world" it let's you develop in a 3d game style world without working for a design studio or developing content that you don't believe in. It connects you directly with an international group of people. I personally know several people who have picked up the design tools available in sl and made a nice part time an sometimes full time real world income from selling creations to this community. Think of it like the apple app store for 3d development. The prices you quote are for serious developers. The average person doesnt need a full region island or even a homestead. For the regular premium account holder the 512 sq meters of land you can own can be enough. For mysel and the international group of artist whom I've met and teamed up with though this world we have built beautiful spaces for the world to enjoy and meet each other in for a fraction of the costs you mention. Linden Labs merely retains the right to present to others the work you have created in terms of showing off what is possible in their world. They typically ask you for your permission to display these things as well. When you live somewhere in real life where you find it difficult to meet like minded people with similar interests this can be a wonderful way to do so. Ive made a nice portion of my costs back from voluntary donations at the site where we have built our space park. Take a look at http://www.virtuallifemedia.com to see what we do. I am not a cheerleader for this world but I do wish for you to see the good sides before you dismiss something that has brought so much joy to my life and allowed me to do the same for others as you have done in this blog piece.<br />Thank youEarth Primbeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00156270113016081516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-61191643980972616682010-09-05T03:21:47.268-04:002010-09-05T03:21:47.268-04:004) Second Life uses micro-currency called Linden D...4) Second Life uses micro-currency called Linden Dollar (L$). It can be bought from Linden Lab or several independent exchange offices. It can't be used anywhere else. Thing you failed to mention is that stock exchange is working both ways so one can sell Linden Dollars back. This explains how people are making money from their businesses. <br /><br />5) As you said, intellectual property is protected in SL. That doesn't mean that Linden Lab owns the things you upload, let alone that song or machinima (movie made in SL or any other computer game) is not completely yours. Parts of EULA that you mentioned, prevents one from uploading a texture or sound, using it for building and then deleting it in a way that will destroy things sold before. <br /><br />After all this, I really don't understand why are you so horrified by Second Life, nor what prevented you to attend the event there. I could easily make a dozen things that would frustrate a newbie in SL, but yours are not among them.dandellionhttp://www.acidzen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-18229121852116621672010-09-05T03:21:01.153-04:002010-09-05T03:21:01.153-04:001) Second Life is not a site. Sites are groups of ...1) Second Life is not a site. Sites are groups of pages on the web. Second Life is a virtual world, which is a much more complex thing than a site. <br /><br />2) E-mail adress is common thing to give while registering anywhere on the Internet, this is probably the first time I've heard somebody finds it strange. Also, password clues are nice practice. IP addresses of computers are kind of digital trail we leave all over the Internet. Yes, computers (and their owners) can be identified by them if one has a court order for doing that. maybe you are not aware of that, but each blog you have ever commented on has noted your IP address, just the same as your blog will store mine as soon as I post this comment.dandellionhttp://www.acidzen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-65714556187909580182010-09-05T03:19:34.494-04:002010-09-05T03:19:34.494-04:003) In SL avatars don't have to own any propert...3) In SL avatars don't have to own any property, let alone virtual real estate. I've spent years without it. Also I had a long period when I rented a parcel where a I hosted a club. It's one's free choice. <br /><br />Before we get in the popular subject if virtual real estate makes any sense, think of it as server space. Some people pay for hosting of their blogs. Some people pay for hosting of their virtual piece of land. <br /><br />Speaking of which... yes, region can cost quite a lot. But region is also a pretty big piece of land and is usually rented by people who own some kind of business in SL (shops, clubs, etc...). For most of them, it's a business expense as they are making money out of their business.dandellionhttp://www.acidzen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-40869047070479141302010-09-05T03:18:46.766-04:002010-09-05T03:18:46.766-04:001) Second Life is not a site. Sites are groups of ...1) Second Life is not a site. Sites are groups of pages on the web. Second Life is a virtual world, which is a much more complex thing than a site. <br /><br />2) E-mail adress is common thing to give while registering anywhere on the Internet, this is probably the first time I've heard somebody finds it strange. Also, password clues are nice practice. IP addresses of computers are kind of digital trail we leave all over the Internet. Yes, computers (and their owners) can be identified by them if one has a court order for doing that. maybe you are not aware of that, but each blog you have ever commented on has noted your IP address, just the same as your blog will store mine as soon as I post this comment.dandellionhttp://www.acidzen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-91637070663904187472010-09-05T03:18:03.277-04:002010-09-05T03:18:03.277-04:00OK, it seems that it won't publish long commen...OK, it seems that it won't publish long comments... let's try doing it in parts...<br /><br />I must confess that I am by large surprised by your perception of Second Life. As a long-term explorer of virtual worlds I've heard a lot of good and bad about second life, but your comment is running to my all times top. <br /><br />Of course, you might find places on the Internet interesting or not, usefull or just a waste of time, but as your comment is based on several huge misconceptions, I'd like to share a thought or two...dandellionhttp://www.acidzen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-28198694019426371092010-09-05T03:16:43.909-04:002010-09-05T03:16:43.909-04:00Yeah, something's wrong. I hate to write a lon...Yeah, something's wrong. I hate to write a long comment then not be able to post it.dandellionhttp://www.acidzen.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-47270033523799167592010-09-05T03:15:48.876-04:002010-09-05T03:15:48.876-04:00I must confess that I am by large surprised by you...I must confess that I am by large surprised by your perception of Second Life. 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Yes, computers (and their owners) can be identified by them if one has a court order for doing that. maybe you are not aware of that, but each blog you have ever commented on has noted your IP address, just the same as your blog will store mine as soon as I post this comment. <br /><br />3) In SL avatars don't have to own any property, let alone virtual real estate. I've spent years without it. Also I had a long period when I rented a parcel where a I hosted a club. It's one's free choice. <br /><br />Before we get in the popular subject if virtual real estate makes any sense, think of it as server space. Some people pay for hosting of their blogs. Some people pay for hosting of their virtual piece of land. <br /><br />Speaking of which... yes, region can cost quite a lot. But region is also a pretty big piece of land and is usually rented by people who own some kind of business in SL (shops, clubs, etc...). For most of them, it's a business expense as they are making money out of their business. <br /><br />4) Second Life uses micro-currency called Linden Dollar (L$). It can be bought from Linden Lab or several independent exchange offices. It can't be used anywhere else. Thing you failed to mention is that stock exchange is working both ways so one can sell Linden Dollars back. This explains how people are making money from their businesses. <br /><br />5) As you said, intellectual property is protected in SL. That doesn't mean that Linden Lab owns the things you upload, let alone that song or machinima (movie made in SL or any other computer game) is not completely yours. Parts of EULA that you mentioned, prevents one from uploading a texture or sound, using it for building and then deleting it in a way that will destroy things sold before. <br /><br />After all this, I really don't understand why are you so horrified by Second Life, nor what prevented you to attend the event there. 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You agree that the license includes the right to copy, analyze and use any of your Content as Linden Lab may deem necessary or desirable for purposes of debugging, testing, or providing support or development services in connection with the Service and future improvements to the Service."<br /><br />If you read that over a few times, you'll realize they're not getting a license to do very much at all. The little bit they do get is what they require to host and display your content in Second Life.<br /><br />This blog is hosted by Blogger (owned by Google). They get a similar license when you agree to their Terms of Service. They need it to host and display your blog to people like me.<br /><br />Also, 1) Second Life isn't a game, 2) Second Life isn't a website (although they have one), 3) you can to a ton of stuff in Second Life for free; there are loads of free things available all over the place, 4) if you want to own land in SL (not required), then entry-level cost is 9.95 US dollars per month, not the figure you quoted, and 5) The Bookstacks is free (although you can rent land there if you want, it's optional).Troy McConaghyhttp://www.troymcconaghy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-46955975684251999032010-09-05T02:01:23.387-04:002010-09-05T02:01:23.387-04:00Hi Welwyn,
I've used Second Life for several ...Hi Welwyn,<br /><br />I've used Second Life for several years, where I've made science exhibits and helped organize public seminars about science (often given by scientists).<br /><br />Second Life is a virtual world, a simulated place where you can do whatever you like --- you don't have to "role play" and it certainly isn't a game: there are no pre-defined rules or goals to achieve. It's also not a website: to use Second Life, you need a special viewer program which isn't a web browser.<br /><br />University students studying nursing are using Second Life to simulate working in a hospital. It's simulation-based training, similar to how astronauts train to fly the Space Shuttle by flying a simulator.<br /><br />The Bookstacks (in Second Life) is completely free of charge. You can rent parcels there if you're so-inclined, but that's optional. They have a website at http://thebookstacks.org/<br /><br />There are other great places for book lovers in Second Life. I'm a big fan of the Community Virtual Library on Info Island and nearby regions. It's a nonprofit organization organized by librarians from all over the world. They have authors come and read from their books. They have workshops about running a library in the digital age. Good folks.<br /><br />Every website you visit needs your IP address. They need it to know where to send the information you request (e.g. a web page). Second Life is no different. That's just how the Internet works. Imagine telling someone to send you a postcard but refusing to give your postal address. It's the same principle.<br /><br />You don't have to own real estate (simulated land) to use Second Life. Most users of Second Life don't own any. You also don't have to pay anything to use Second Life. There's plenty of free stuff (gobs of it, actually), and you can make your own if you're so-inclined (also for free).<br /><br />If you create a building in Second Life, you retain the intellectual property (the copyrights, the trademarks, the patents, etc.) associated with that building. Linden Lab requires a license to host your intellectual property and to display it to other people using Second Life. Linden Lab does *not* get a license to do whatever they want with it. In particular, they can't sell it.<br /><br />I see you're using Blogger to host this blog. Blogger is owned by Google. They also need a license to host and display your blog (intellectual property) to the rest of the world. You retain the intellectual property, so for example, Google can't just publish your blog in a book without your permission. It's similar with Second Life and Linden Lab.<br /><br />As mentioned above, it's easy to do a lot for free in Second Life, but if you do want to get land (and most don't), it's not that expensive. If you get a "premium" Second Life account (9.95 USD per month if billed monthly), you can get 512 square meters of land on the mainland, which includes a free house if you want it (through the "Linden Homes" program). This isn't particularly expensive --- I got a half pizza and Caesar salad today and it cost 11.00!<br /><br />Bottom line: there are many smart, interesting people using Second Life (including authors), and they've all fine with the Second Life Terms of Service / EULA. Many of those people don't spend any money at all on Second Life.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Dr. Troy McConaghy<br />Burnaby, BC (but formerly Waterloo, Ontario)Troy Mchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15054194615439575237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6360934556042398359.post-80984192998069057692010-09-01T13:40:14.575-04:002010-09-01T13:40:14.575-04:00Hi Welwyn,
Dad was saying people were having trou...Hi Welwyn,<br /><br />Dad was saying people were having trouble commenting on your blog, so I thought I'd give it a shot. Hope this works, and, so working, finds you well!<br /><br />-SimonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com